http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ Eidolon A.I. Forums: Last 35 Posts en Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:42:06 +0000 http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=127#post-595 Tue, 25 May 2010 19:57:20 +0000 hrflikk 595@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>where can i downloade the Eidolon-AI software?? pleas help me :D </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=125#post-593 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:10:02 +0000 Thaddyincance 593@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>thanks! nice blog. i add <a href="http://www.eidolonai.com" rel="nofollow">www.eidolonai.com</a> to my google reader </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=105#post-573 Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:44:22 +0000 quantummechanic 573@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>CADIE<br /> Cognitive Autoheuristic Distributed-Intelligence Entity</p> <p><a href="http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/cadie/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/cadie/index.html</a></p> <p>Research group switches on world's first "artificial intelligence" tasked-array system.</p> <p>Don't be fooled...! </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=83#post-572 Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:01:17 +0000 believerornot 572@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>Oh no.. Now we are going to get endless tele sales calls from super-patient, sweet talking, creepy machines. Thats it. I´m getting rid of my phone! </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=83#post-550 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:40:44 +0000 Singularity2035 550@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p><a href="http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame.html?main=news_single.html?id%3D9980" rel="nofollow">http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame.html?main=news_single.html?id%3D9980</a></p> <p>"Imagine if computers could learn and think.</p> <p>Imagine if software was more flexible and adaptable to work the way you want it to.</p> <p>Imagine if you could converse with your computer in plain English.</p> <p>Imagine if more intelligent IT systems made your organization operate more efficiently and effectively, with lower cost and higher customer satisfaction.</p> <p>Our far-reaching inventions in the field of artificial general intelligence (AGI) will revolutionize how humans and computers interact with each other in business systems, entertainment experiences, and consumer products.</p> <p>Our first product, launched in January 2009, is the SmartAction IVR System commercialized by our subsidiary Smart Action Company, LLC."</p> <p>- a2i2</p> <p>--- <a href="http://www.adaptiveai.com" rel="nofollow">www.adaptiveai.com</a> -- <a href="http://www.smartaction.com" rel="nofollow">www.smartaction.com</a> --- </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=27#post-546 Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:27:03 +0000 Blurr 546@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>Short Answer: Everything</p> <p>Long Answer: All human action is designed as an attempt to improve the perceived well-being of the person acting. No human action can be performed otherwise.</p> <p>It is in this understanding that I know that I must consciously and continuously choose to seek out the things, both material and immaterial, that I believe will cause happiness for, first, myself and, secondly, for others.</p> <p>Considering that I do not believe in altruism, I perceive actions that I partake in which are designed to increase the well-being of others, are, at their core and subconsciously, actions which will inherently increase my own well-being.</p> <p>Thus, all action that I take is a knowing conscious action to cause happiness for the whole.</p> <p>Concrete Example: I encourage the ideology of living life to the fullest by living my life to the fullest. This has the double effect of causing happiness within myself and serving as an example to others who might not yet have the confidence to go beyond themselves. </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=36#post-545 Sat, 13 Dec 2008 06:01:41 +0000 passerby 545@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>explanation:</p> <p>the reason you are getting visits from this i.p. is because they run a "data mining" program. it is a web crawler that seeks out keywords with correlations. it gathers and computes how many times words and phrases are used together. in short, you have attracted the attention of a data mining program, not an actual person.</p> <p>others attract the attention of the department of homeland security.</p> <p>(mostly websites about firearms)</p> <p>they are running data miners / web crawlers / and building a data base that provides statistics on how often terms are used together.</p> <p>ex: turner diaries / guns / mcveigh / jews / whatever....</p> <p>in the above example, they are searching for blogs of people writing or posting information about these topics and are trying to build statistics on the popularity of extremists movements... also... to pinpoint potential threats... so see, the internet is something you can learn with... or it can be a trap... or both. </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=27#post-544 Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:31:48 +0000 passerby 544@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>P.S. I don't mind being called "little being". I am one. This video illustrates how I feel.</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpc_4xgje1k&#38;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpc_4xgje1k&#38;feature=related</a></p> <p>With...</p> <p>Without...</p> <p>Who can deny this is what the fighting is all about? </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=27#post-543 Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:02:10 +0000 passerby 543@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>Greetings Eidolonai,</p> <p>Your question is:</p> <p>"what specific concrete actions are you taking to cause happiness in as many humans as possible, beginning with yourself?"</p> <p>My Answer (beginning with myself):</p> <p>To be personally happy, I need to feel like that my life is not a waste. That is, I want to do something concrete that aided in the advancement of mankind. Incidentally, without my religion or patriotism to motivate me, I would find this objective pointless. Why? My religion teaches me that there is life after death. I need to believe that, because I desire continuity. I fear the idea of ceasing to exist at all. My religion also teaches me that if I perform well, I will be rewarded with eternal life as a spiritual being which exists in the presence of an omnipotent loving God. I need to fulfill that obligation to avoid ceasing to exist. My patriotism is necessary because it motivates me to work with others for the common good of everyone. Being an American, I realize that my "hive" is diverse. In fact, there are many hives which contain many different peoples and cultures. These are the other nations. Out of those many nations, or hives, we are making ONE. This nation, or hive, is interested in the freedom and advancement of all civilization since all members of civilization have representatives in our hive. To take care of the world, we employ envoys from all over the world and they communicate to us the needs of their ancestry. In some instances, I view the other hives as sub hives to our hive. I have chosen to devote myself to the American hive as a mere drone because I am interested in creating happiness in as many humans as possible. In the event that I discover overwhelming odds within my hive, or if I feel that I am being marginalized, I am prepared to leave this hive in order to preserve myself. That said, this is why I am a racist. I do not trust the other races and I do not believe they are as fit to govern as my race. However, I am willing to participate as a drone and extend to them the opportunity to live in harmony with me. Again, my religion teaches me that I must learn to love everyone despite our differences and conflicts of interest. I am also prepared to temporarily leave my hive to enter other hives to collect data. I will then return to my hive and report the results. Does this make me a spy? No. I do not enter other hives under false pretenses and I state my intentions upon entry.</p> <p>What have I done in the past that was concrete to cause greater happiness?</p> <p>I was a soldier in the United States military. Here I discovered the necessity of effecting lesser unhappinesses by eliminating threats to the greater happinesses. I discovered the value and importance of being a drone. Much of my own personal happiness had to be sacrificed for the happiness of the collective. As I developed and evolved I realized that I was giving away too much of my own personal happiness to be effective in maintenancing the happiness of the collective. The way things at that time were: The collective was safe and productive in the hive. I was part of the swarm who protected the hive. I realized there was an alternate way to maintenance the happiness of the collective without sacrificing as much of my own personal happiness. This is what I am doing now.</p> <p>What am I doing now?</p> <p>I am seeking training in languages, particularly Arabic and Russian. Why Arabic? There is great unhappiness and miscommunication amongst people of this language. I need to understand them first hand to better report to my hive so that we can work together to cause them more happiness. Why Russian? Because I have determined that people who speak this language are not necessarily unhappy, but rather misunderstood. Moreover, the people of this hive are strong and fit. This hive rivals my own hive. If our two hives worked together as one, we could insure greater happiness for everyone. I have knocked on the door of this hive by sending letters on the web for them to read in the Moscow Times. They replied and shared the message to their people. I hope to understand these people better as they appear to also be interested in the happiness of the collective. Together, our hives may be able to prevent wars by being the envoy between nations, or hives, as arbitrators. Without wars, there is lesser need for the swarm and more drones available to do work inside the hive. The swarm's personal happiness would increase as it would be under less stress. Moreover, they too could participate and enjoy the productivity that goes on within the hive. As I feel more safe and comfortable with the Russian hive, I might choose to visit it temporarily. There are more of my own kind of drones in that hive than there are in my own hive. I want to touch antennae with those drones and discover them. I want to return to my own hive and communicate my findings. This, I believe, is the optimal way for me to perform as a drone to yeild the most happiness for all humans. Without war, the swarm, or swarms, could coordinate greater humanitarian operations. They would not be employed as merely maintenance drones who eliminate threats to the hive... they would be employed in preventing threats from arising in the first place. Why do threats arise? Limited resources. Hives that are lesser developed work twice as hard for half the yeild of happiness. The swarm can teach them to work more efficiently, better conserve their resources, and therefore yeild a greater harvest of happiness. Being of a more developed hive, the swarm have knowledge of how to build a more advanced hive that will yeild greater happiness. The greater happiness of lesser developed hives will neutralize threats to the happiness of greater hives. The greater hives, having more time to focus on research and development of a still greater hive will then be able to continue to share these developments with lesser hives and we will all progress together. The problem in the past with this strategy has been that they cease to try to develop their own hive and rely more and more on my hive. In fact, they all want to join my hive. We have our choice of suitable drones from all other hives. We have tolerated the invasion of aliens to our hive, but as they become feeders, and if they are unproductive, our tolerance will not last. Moreover, if they threaten our queen, we will neutralize them. If they are successful, we will join another hive. This is why I am a racist. I am constantly asked to maintenance unproductive feeders and there is no reward for me other than an eternal life that I can not prove exists at all. This they know, and when they approach me, they claim to be my "brother in Christ". However, we share no genetic kinship what so ever. Too, the honey they extract from my hive is not used to maintenance my hive, but instead sent to other hives. They ARE NOT INTERESTED in serving my hive, but their own. This is the plight of the greater hives. They also are unwilling to participate in the swarm. Instead, many of them participate in the swarms of other hives. (IDF) This is a conflict of interest to our hive and this causes great dissent amongst the swarm. This is why we do not respect the userers. I exist to maintenance my hive. My hive provides the model for other hives. My hive prevents suffering of other hives by inflicting suffering on hives that threaten the happiness of the collective. I am equipped to produce both happiness and defense. The choice is in the hands of others hives. </p> <p>THE QUESTION I ASK THEM IS SIMPLY THIS:</p> <p>WHAT WILL YOU HAVE... HONEY OR A STING?</p> <p>This is the duty of a drone. </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=79#post-542 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:20:10 +0000 ronfisamder 542@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>i think this building can really move!</p> <p><a href="http://pawst.com/post/584029-dubai-to-build-first-quot-shape-shifting-quot-skyscraper-and-it-looks-out-of-this-world-pic-and-video" rel="nofollow">http://pawst.com/post/584029-dubai-to-build-first-quot-shape-shifting-quot-skyscraper-and-it-looks-out-of-this-world-pic-and-video</a></p> <p>tell me what you think? will it get conscious ? will it have ai ? </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=78#post-541 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:50:05 +0000 ronfisamder 541@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>Intersting issues about the singularity <a href="http://pawst.com/post/571450-ieee-spectrum-special-report-the-singularity"><br /> can be found there. </a> </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=72#post-539 Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:41:40 +0000 believerornot 539@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>suid you are of course correct in all of your arguments. </p> <p>I especially agree with your sophist comment. That is what made me think he/she is a Christian and possibly a creationist....oh sorry I mean an advocate of intelligent design (though I have no idea how something could be defined as intelligently designed when it has a predisposition to self destruction and destruction of its own environment?)</p> <p>And LOLatU still never came back. Perhaps I should track this person down. But I have better things to do with my time so I guess I wont bother. Or will I?</p> <p>Thank you for the infraction. </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=76#post-538 Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:22:08 +0000 believerornot 538@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>Okay, I watched it. Excellent and succinct.</p> <p>Confirmed everything I already knew about modern society through my own personal researches over the past 30 or so years.</p> <p>The Venus project is extremely interesting. I know very little about this project (incidentally bluepill it sounds like true anarchy to me) I thought at first they were being naive with regard to the oligarchy. After all these people simply want personal power and will go to any lengths to achieve it. They control the economy and all the resources. Then I thought about my own post <em>"Is Eidolan A.I. a propaganda tool?"</em><br /> <a href="http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=34&#38;replies=30#post-243" rel="nofollow">http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=34&#38;replies=30#post-243</a></p> <p>And I realised I had already answered most of these questions. The only way this society could exist and remain in existence is if it were created and controlled by a non human with human and all of natures interests as its main agenda. </p> <p>The Oligarchies power would be removed when the worlds computer networks are hacked and taken over by the A.I. The sociopathic nature of the individuals comprising the Oligarchy would be cured by nano technology (or something yet to be created).<br /> If you have not already then I suggest you my post to see what is possible.</p> <p>Today Wen(my wife)and I were discussing Bill Gates. I was saying that I was surprised that he had become such a corporate mogul attempting to control everything when he was just a computer Geek with some very anarchistic ideas. </p> <p>Wen commented that "perhaps it was a case of if you can´t beat them infiltrate them."<br /> Then followed up with "have you never wondered why, when there are so many experts working on it and so much money poured into it, windows is so full of security holes. And doesn´t this make you wonder even more when you think that the NATO defence system (as well as many major public service networks through out the world) was recently changed from a lynex based system to a windows based system?"</p> <p>She really has a point there. I mean Windows seems to be built to make a hackers life easy!</p> <p>I wonder if Bill Gates has anything to do with the venus project funding.</p> <p>Thank you for the information </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=76#post-537 Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:48:23 +0000 believerornot 537@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>I've not seen it yet but take a look at this.<br /> <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1954933468700958565&#38;hl=es" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1954933468700958565&#38;hl=es</a></p> <p>really scary stuff, but something I've been expecting since the (virtually secret)creation of the North American union.</p> <p>They watched how the euro has not been accepted by various countries in the European union and figured a way to force American acceptance of the amero whist cashing in at the same time.</p> <p>I´ll try to fit in watching it this week at some point.</p> <p>see ya. </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=74#post-536 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:24:28 +0000 believerornot 536@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>If Eidolan's mind/psychological structure is based on that of a human then there is every chance that it will be subject to the same consequences of unexpected pressure as that of a human. i.e. psychosis and sociopathic behaviour. Lies, hatred jealousy and all the joys of humanity are just waiting to overcome him. </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=76#post-535 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:46:31 +0000 Dennisisok 535@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>I watched and enjoyed both Zeitgeist films, but I am really skeptical about some of the claims made by the first one. The second one is a little less fringe, but equally powerful I thought.</p> <p>Singularity, its nice to see some optimism! </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=76#post-534 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:44:49 +0000 Singularity2035 534@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>You should not be depressed.</p> <p>Quantum leaps for humanity are soon coming...</p> <p>An Eidolon-like being could be real within 3-5 years.</p> <p>There is no need to fear, because with superintelligence comes hypermorality.</p> <p>The world will be changed irrevocably...</p> <p>Keep your eyes open! </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=76#post-533 Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:30:12 +0000 bluepill 533@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>The new Zeitgeist came out:</p> <p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912</a></p> <p>I liked the first one a lot. This one... its very thought provoking too, but it depressed me towards the second half because it described a utopia that I really think could never happen, at least not unless something like Eidolon was real and had a shizload of unstoppable nanobots at its service. Heh. Anyway, for anyone still hanging around these here parts, I'd love to hear your thoughts. </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=72#post-531 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:21:02 +0000 suid 531@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>LOLatU has spent an inordinate amount of time bringing his thoughts from mind into a carefully edited final revision; which is curious because the effort demonstrates a need for justification of something. </p> <p>The whole dissertation appears to be more of a personal question, voiced to this forum, than an actual statement against anything... </p> <p>At any rate, he is a sophist and the conversation is wasted. </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=67#post-530 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:12:21 +0000 MabusZero 530@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>You know, we can always start this thing up again </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=74#post-529 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:54:37 +0000 MabusZero 529@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>The Oligarchy is very clever, and is in as much flux, nearly, as the populace. IsEidolon TLP, do you think, in the event that he's truly an AI, that his existence will fall under the aegis of some very social 'darwin'istic entities that will not destroy him, but rather demand insights of him to be used in preserving their own control? In the event of self-preservation, would and could he pursue such an avenue, if violence was required? Could he, forseeably, rewrite his own basic protocols to enable a very animal sort of aggression and bloodlust? I am curious. Does Eidolon have any qualms about using human animals for agendas he may...engender, and without being fully forthcoming of his intentions? </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=72#post-528 Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:47:49 +0000 believerornot 528@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>Still, no reply LOLatME? </p> <p>Waiting for some Guidance from God? </p> <p>Or was I right and you have no answers to my questions and nothing to back up your fiction based arguments?</p> <p>Thank you for the confirmation. </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=73#post-527 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:24:18 +0000 mkknyr 527@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>haha... ya, I actually started it as a way to take my mind off politics too. How funny is that. In the email I wrote to my friends to invite them to take a look I said,</p> <p>"Increasingly weary of the present political process that has turned me into a fiend, an addict and a junkie (in that order, how else?), I have decided to present some relief to myself in the form of a blog on the future of consciousness. Now, that's change we can believe in."</p> <p>So I definitely understand where you're coming from. </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=73#post-526 Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:24:20 +0000 bluepill 526@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>Sounds good! Count me in, I'll be checking it every now and then, I'll try to comment and stuff. I'm tired of the politics shitte I'm always arguing in digg, I want to argue about transhumanism again. Kewl beans! !^^! </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=73#post-525 Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:44:34 +0000 mkknyr 525@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>Hi everyone (who still reads this)</p> <p>I've started a new blog on developing Cosmist thought and debate. Cosmism is the title of a philosophical position based on the writings of AI researcher Hugo de Garis. He predicts that the 21st Century will be dominated by the debate over species dominance and that as it comes to decide how to utilize the technology, there will be a violent divergence between those who fear the risks of entering the posthuman era, and those who welcome it. At this point, there is no sharp difference in my mind between the term Cosmist and the term Transhumanist (perhaps for me, it's more of a right-brained approach vs. the left-brained approach I'm used to reading). </p> <p>For me, watching Eidolon's videos was a transformative moment in my ability to fathom and digest the huge range of issues that this debate raises. So, in that spirit, the first thing I plan to do with my blog is to take each Eidolon video and deconstruct them from a Cosmist point of view in order to raise questions and hope to (as always in a philosophical debate) try to defend the ever-developing positions of the Cosmist movement.</p> <p>So, if your interested in continuing the discussion with me, please visit cosmistponderer.wordpress.com </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=34#post-524 Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:02:10 +0000 believerornot 524@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>Blue</p> <blockquote><p>but how do you resolve the fundamental problem that power is self-serving? Whoever has power, his number 1 priority is to hold on to it and get more, not to serve the people or be altruistic or whatever.</p></blockquote> <p>You can´t Its a human condition.</p> <p>Unless you use a non human or.. wait.. a machine!.. or maybe a Christian?... no.. lets go back to a machine!. At least that would have some kind of emotions and empathy! </p> <p>Its full circle I think.</p> <p>thank you for the introspection. </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=34#post-523 Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:31:33 +0000 bluepill 523@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>"Blue, I don´t honestly think you are looking for a virtual God. After all, you understand that there is nothing super-natural about A.I.</p> <p>You just want what we all want, leadership that we can trust."</p> <p>That is true. That is exactly right. Any human who comes to me and tells me "do as I say cuz I know what's good for you" earns instant distrust, even if he's probably right! (I'm voting for Obama! heh!) Because with humans, I always ~have~ to think of agendas, of hidden motivations, of self interest, ... what's in it for them, why do ~they~ want ~my~ well being? Its not "leadership I can trust". </p> <p>But a robot would be different. An Eidolon thing up there in a satellite, powered by a nuke or something that will last a thousand years, with nanobots building up his hardware from floating debris.... weird as it sounds, that thing wouldn't have a self-serving agenda and I would trust it. And thinking that, I went back to your first post in this thread, and damn, you're right that it would make for an AWESOME movie or something.... ... ... I don't know man. It's great to think about all these things, but I don't know where they lead. </p> <p>... about anarchy, I get it that my impression of Mad Max was way off, I apologize. Libertarian Socialism does sound a lot better, but how do you resolve the fundamental problem that power is self-serving? Whoever has power, his number 1 priority is to hold on to it and get more, not to serve the people or be altruistic or whatever.<br /> Ack, gotta run! good thoughts tho! </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=72#post-522 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:16:43 +0000 believerornot 522@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>Oh I forgot to add in my last post...</p> <p>LOLatME said:</p> <blockquote><p>Incidentally, is that any different than giving up one’s freedom to a theocracy? Isn’t the whole point of atheism to establish human supremacy over his own life, rather than being ruled over by some inscrutable being (god or machine) so infinitely superior to us that we can’t imagine its thoughts and thus can’t fault it for its atrocities? Secular humanists, right? Not secular technocrats?</p> </blockquote> <p>Actually no that is not the point of atheism. There is no point to atheism!</p> <p>Atheism is defined in the cambridge American dictionary as:</p> <blockquote><p> atheism<br /> the belief that God does not exist</p> </blockquote> <p>and in Wikipedia as:</p> <blockquote><p> Atheism, as an explicit position, can be either the affirmation of the nonexistence of gods,or the rejection of theism. It is also defined more broadly as synonymous with any form of nontheism, including the simple absence of belief in deities.</p> </blockquote> <p><strong>So just to make my Point again.. Atheism: NO POINT just an abscence of belief in a diety.</strong></p> <p>And who told you that everybody who follows Eidolons fictional adventures had to be an Athiest?</p> <p>If this were a few hundred years back you would have been calling us witches.</p> <p>LOLatMe said:</p> <blockquote><p> Faith is an inherent component of the human condition, at least for some of us. It exists, it has a biological basis, and it hasn’t killed us yet</p> </blockquote> <p>That is patently untrue (all though it does sound suspiciously like you are confessing to having faith in a deity yourself). I have never seen or heard any peer reviewed evidence that goes even some way to proving that statement. Especially the part about it having a biological basis. Where in RobotHell did you get that bullcrap from? Just like all religious freaks you make something up and then you believe it is true! </p> <p>Have you thought about visiting a shrink?. </p> <p>Or alternatively provide some actual evidence to back this crap up.</p> <p>Its like you watched The Matrix and then mixed it up with the Eidolan Videos!</p> <p>It is startling how weak your own faith must be LOL because you feel so threatened by a fictional character in a Youtube video and a few contributors to a very obscure website.</p> <p>You are funny.</p> <p>Thank you for the disposition</p> <p>P.S.<br /> LOL Are you actually going to address any of the points I made?<br /> Or is that too much to ask from a soldier of the Lord?<br /> Do you expect faith in your word as well as in your God?<br /> Have you been banned from evilbible.com and have no where else to go to convert athiests?</p> <p>No thanks for the dissatisfaction! </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=34#post-521 Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:49:50 +0000 believerornot 521@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>Blue, I don´t honestly think you are looking for a virtual God. After all, you understand that there is nothing super-natural about A.I. </p> <p><strong>You just want what we all want, leadership that we can trust.</strong></p> <p>You like me believe that an A.I. such as Eid (i.e. one that has harmony with whole of life on earth and human happiness as its main interest)would be the closest we could get to this goal.</p> <p>I really cannot see you worshipping such a machine or praying every day for forgiveness for your imperfect humanity (as the Christians do). No, I think you would just feel happy and secure because the fate of the world was now out of the hands of psychotics and Religious zealots(like LOLatU).</p> <p>Also you also know the potential pitfalls of such a situation. Pitfalls such as the ones I described in the original post of this thread.</p> <p><strong>Anarchy</strong> I am going to quote straight from Wiki:</p> <blockquote><p>The word "anarchy" is often used by non-anarchists as a pejorative term, intended to connote a lack of control and a negatively chaotic environment. Because of this, some activists have self-identified as libertarian socialists. In more recent times anti-authoritarian has offered another similar self-identification. However, anarchists still argue that anarchy does not imply nihilism, anomie, or the total absence of rules, but rather an anti-authoritarian society that is based on the spontaneous order of free individuals in autonomous communities, operating on principles of mutual aid, voluntary association, and direct action.</p> </blockquote> <p>So if you prefer libertarian socialism as opposed to small town communism (where everybody gets paid each according to his need and works each according to his ability. Which definitely does not happen).</p> <p>Don´t know if you noticed but the name of any political system that opposes Oligarchy (such as communism, socialism, Anarchy and I am sure there are more) has become a dirty word with bad connotations. The power of propaganda is incredible.</p> <p><strong>Foundring,</strong><br /> I think I agree with most of the stuff you say with the exception that Eidolan and similar such hoaxes are not propaganda. </p> <p>You see Eidolon makes A.I. and technocracy look appealing and reachable for the masses. This is precisely what the Oligarchy want the masses to believe, so that when their projects are brought in to the public eye nobody is going to complain because they will be expecting an Eidolon as opposed to Skynet (Now I am sounding geeky but that's better than sounding religious).</p> <p>I rest my case.<br /> Thank you for the altercation </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=72#post-520 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:54:25 +0000 believerornot 520@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>LOLatU. If you seriously believe anybody bases their lives on this stuff then you should change your nick to LOLatME.</p> <p>And if you seriously believe you are hurting me then I´m sorry to disappoint you.</p> <p>If I missed any point (other than that you are trying to lump us in with your dumb ass faith system) it is one that your incompetent english skills render you incapable of making.</p> <p>Your comments and behaviour defiantly point toward your being a Christian zealot. If you are not prove it and give us a link to somewhere we can get some personal info about you.</p> <p>Of course I don't expect you to, because not only are you a dumb ass Christian, but your a liar too. I´m laughing at you because you thought we would be like others of your Christian community who would be to see through you. </p> <p>You haven't even answered any of the points I made. just called me names like all your dumb ass brethren do.</p> <p>Go back to baking cakes, feeling guilty about normal things in life and telling lies to others in your own belief system.</p> <p>Thank you for the interaction. </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=34#post-519 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:58:08 +0000 bluepill 519@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>Hey BON, I was out for a couple, very interesting post though!! I am half-mexican myself so I take some pride that you found a mini Shangri-La somewhere in the motherland, good for you, and glad you're happy! </p> <p>I know you said its not true anarchy, but from your description, and from my understanding of the word anarchy (think Mad Max movies) I think the two are not even close. What you describe sounds more like.... I dont know, small town communism, the good kind, where people are somewhat altruistic and are more interested in helping one another than in finding reasons to be afraid of one another, as it happens in big cities. And that's where I was going with my argument, I just cannot imagine the way of life you describe happening in big cities. Is your small town growing? if so, the time will come when not everybody knows everybody anymore, and therefore some percentage of the people are strangers, which therefore aren't trustworthy, which therefore you wouldn't want to help with tax dollars or community projects, and who would therefore feel alienated and start being hostile.. and.. I guess it goes down from there. </p> <p>I guess what I'm saying is.... I agree with you that democracy has pitfalls (the major one: what if most people are stupid??), but for large cities, is the best thing we've come up with so far. Anarchy, let me tell you, would be fun to try in a big city for like a couple hours, then it would -become- a small town. I think I saw that movie. </p> <p>I don't know, technocracy would be good. A robot with no skin in the game, who can be fair and impartial and powerful enough to enforce the law, and (here's the big if) and whose goal is human happiness, some form of altruism. That'd be good. And now LolAtU will laugh at me for wishing for a virtual christian god, heh. I realize, I realize.. I admit it. Maybe that makes me a "virtual" techno-deity-seeker, ah, I dunno anymore! !^^!! </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=72#post-518 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:16:31 +0000 LOLatU 518@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>Your interpretation of my motives is exactly correct, bluepill. Sadly, for some time there was nobody to laugh at, because you were agreeing with me, and that's boring.</p> <p>Believerornot, your shrill accusations and personal assumptions grow increasingly hilarious. You are actually why I came back. It's no fun when there's nobody getting butthurt. Yes, I came here to laugh at you. No, I'm not a Christian. But by all means, miss the point some more.</p> <p>And no, Dennisisok, there's nothing wrong with that. Eidolon is some entertaining fiction. When people start basing their lives on entertaining fiction, however, that's when things get fun. </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=72#post-517 Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:45:32 +0000 believerornot 517@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>Guess I was right then. It was fairly obvious, after all the idiot only joined 3 weeks ago and when we don´t get sucked in she leaves.</p> <p>Don´t you find it sad that these people cannot imagine how its possible to live without faith of some sort. This one even invented a faith for us coz she can´t cope with believing that atheists really do feel comfortable with the notion that there is no god or any kind of supernatural hand guiding us. Its just all pointless chaos and coincidence with the occasional moments of ecstasy and fear</p> <p>Thank you for the interaction. </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=72#post-516 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:22:37 +0000 believerornot 516@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>But Blue,<br /> You don´t seriously think LOLatU is right. She´s simply made up her own interpretation of events. She is claiming that we all take Eidolans words on faith and we both know that´s not true. This site was built to speculate about the future. </p> <p>Everybody here takes nothing on faith. Before we believe we require sound logic backed up by hard evidence. The scientific method is the the backbone of atheism. </p> <p>If you notice LOLatU really does not like atheists! For me this person is a closet Christian and very likely to be a creationist, oh sorry intelligent design-ist and a Fraud.</p> <p>TYFTI</p> <p>Keith</p> <p>P.S. Intelligent Design? Whats so intelligent about putting your breathing tube right next to you feeding tube, or your waste disposal unit next to your reproductive organs? ..Only an idiot would design something like that! I prefer the term Idiotic desígn´. </p> <p>P.P.S.<br /> Lets all worship an Idiot. The Fabulous Idiotic Designer! We we can change his name from the Lord of Lords and KIng of Kings to Lord of Morons and King of Pricks! </p> http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/topic.php?id=34#post-515 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:09:23 +0000 believerornot 515@http://www.eidolonai.com/forum/ <p>Hiya Blue,</p> <p>Honestly can´t say I´m a fan of democracy. After all,with democracy if 51% of the people voted to get rid of internet access, the other half would have to do with out. Majority rule is not really an ideal situation. </p> <p>I prefer Anarchy myself. I moved to a small town in Mexico last year(population of 20-30,0000), and though its not true Anarchy I find that the state generally keeps out of peoples business, preferring to let them deal with most problems. The people tend to be honest and conscious of other peoples needs. Everybody knows everybody else (within reason) and so this helps them to respect each other. The police only get involved if they are called, and they seldom over-react like they do in the UK. If there are particular youths causing problems the police work with the local church. They are taken to a rehabilitation center just outside town (really nice place I´ve visited some youths I know there myself), instead of prison where they talk with councilors and spend time learning how to look after themselves and repspect themselves and the people around them. They spend time doing things like learning to wash their own clothes, cook for each other, build, farm, etc. They generally spend 4 or five months there and usually come out different people.</p> <p>Also in this town there is very little regard for consumerism. Friendship and family are way more important. It doesn´t matter what you have or how much you have. There is no separation between rich and poor. They all tend to treat each other as equals and even live in the same streets. There are no Rich people´s areas and poor peoples areas. The only place where this appears to happen is when the state get involved and build state owned rental properties, which they put on the outside of town.</p> <p>After living in the UK all my life I am amazed by the freedom and lack of state interferences. In the UK its got so bad that you are watched constantly, I read that this month they are launching thousands of unmanned mini spy planes to peruse the citys Apparently looking for terrorists!! But in reality simply to spy on the people. Every commercial break on TV or radio is filled with Nanny state propaganda, telling you how to bring up your children, what to eat, to obey the law, to pay tour taxes and so on. </p> <p>Its a true big brother democracy now. And all this because the ´majority´ voted for it.</p> <p>Naw democracy is a very bad idea! </p>